Thursday, March 13, 2008

A question for the readers - If you would be so kind.

I have a question, an informal poll for the readers of this blog.
There are apparently at least two of you and thank you BTW for the comments and encouragement.
Which of the two examples above do you prefer for The National Flag of Vulgaria?
The Black is the common thread in all Vulgarian standards and uniforms, it reminds Vulgarians of their long struggle, if they were able to survive the black days they can survive all.
The great white Boar is a mythical Vulgarian animal that represents the Elector, heroism, sacrifice, stubbornness and a willingness to fight to the death. Bozidar the first Vulgarian chief led his people to this area of the world, although it was inhabited by a great white boar that stood 4 meters at the shoulder. After a week long fight Bozidar prevailed and wore the animals pelt as his royal robes; it was such a large animal that its flesh fed the entire nation for the first year. All wild boars in Vulgaria are believed to be descendents of this animal. They are hunted but never for sport, only for food and fur.
That brings us to the choice; for the red sun or the yellow sun. Clearly the yellow sun would be the new days of Vulgaria moving out of the black and into the light. Alternatively the red sun would represent the blood of the people martyred and sacrificed to provide an independent Vulgaria.
I'm leaning a bit towards the red sun, as the black and red are somewhat indicative of my own anarchist early years.


Blogger Fitz-Badger said...

I think I like the red slightly more, although both look good.
(nice bit of founding myth/history, too. 4 meters! Yikes!)

Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:33:00 PM  
Blogger Poruchik said...

It was a big pig!

But then aren't all our animal conquests bigger after the fact?

You shoulda' seen the size of that catfish that granddad caught!

Thanks for the vote. I'm trying to sort out the myth/history main players and families.

Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:28:00 PM  
Blogger andygamer said...

Oh, oh. I favour the yellow as it has greater contrast to the black; so I guess you've got a hung jury so far.

I really like the regimental flags, BTW. Kind of like the French quartered flags without the wide cross. And the white boar contrasts well with the different regimental facing colours.

(And I'm pleased that you're back to posting again.)

Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:29:00 PM  
Blogger MiniWargamer said...

There's no reason you can't do both! After all, the genteel cavalryman wants to have a different standard than the plebian infantry! Or you could have one as the regular army banner and in remembrance of your anarchist days, the other for the people's forces (militia).

Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:44:00 PM  
Blogger abdul666 said...

Well, both 'disobey' the heraldic rules -color on another color for the red sun on black, metal on another metal for the silver boar on a gold sun. Now the heraldic rules were not unbased, but aimed at keeping visibility / lisibility, i.e. insured *contrast*. Thus, the 'silver boar on a red sun' is clearly more contrasted / the animal would be more easily identified from a distance: recommended!

Friday, March 14, 2008 3:02:00 AM  
Blogger Bluebear Jeff said...

I prefer the red sun myself . . . even though it isn't "heraldicly correct", so what . . . I think that it looks sharp.

Of course you might do something like use the yellow sun in peacetime and the red sun as your "war flag".

Both do look good . . . but I prefer the red sun.

On another matter, it seems like you left the "Emperor vs Elector" group blog at some point (although I've continued to list your blog on the side). Would you like to return?

If so, let me know at and you will be welcomed back.

-- Jeff

Friday, March 14, 2008 5:15:00 AM  
Blogger tim said...


Red, I think....

Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:32:00 PM  
Blogger tradgardmastare said...

I'd go red!

Friday, April 04, 2008 9:13:00 AM  
Blogger moif said...

Yellow. It looks less cluttered on the flag

Friday, April 11, 2008 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger MurdocK said...

what about a yellow 'burst' about a red disk?

This way you get the best of both!

Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:35:00 PM  
Blogger Poruchik said...

I actually thought that very thing murdock. If I surround the red disk with a yellow sun burst I maintain the erhmm rules of heraldry and I get a bit more contrast. I'll need to work that up and post it to see how it looks.


Friday, April 18, 2008 12:15:00 PM  
Blogger Stokes Schwartz said...

Hello there Donald,

It's been a while -- Good to see you back. Of the four standards, I prefer the alternating blue and black quadrants behind the boar. It's just a bit more sinister than the others.

Best Regards,


Monday, April 28, 2008 3:54:00 AM  
Blogger abdul666 said...

Hi Poruchik
"The great white Boar is a mythical Vulgarian animal that represents the Elector, heroism, sacrifice, stubbornness and a willingness to fight to the death."
Then you may appreciate this tune, entitled ’The Great Old Boar’

aka Louys de Monte-Cristo
P.S.: no AAR for that glorious battle fought by the Russian-Vulgarian Alliance against the Turks?

Thursday, May 01, 2008 4:52:00 AM  
Blogger Snickering Corpses said...

I'd personally concur for the red as well. Though for me, it is more the color contrast than anything else. The pig is clearer on the red.

Friday, May 16, 2008 12:09:00 PM  
Blogger abdul666 said...

Hi Poruchik,

the colors and the device are differentn but your "Sable, a silver boar on a sun of gules" banner follows the pattern of the Austrian Leibfahne, with its image of Virgin Mary on a 'radiating' aura. A respectable historical precedent.
Then, if I may, a mid-18th C. flag would probably be less 'elongated', more square-shaped?

Looking forward to read more of the Vulgarian army, its unit profiles and its campaigns.


Saturday, May 17, 2008 2:53:00 AM  
Blogger Archduke Piccolo said...

Have you thought of the sunburst gules fimbricated or (or possibly argent)? That would certainly obey the (British) rules of heraldry. Bear in mind, though, that Continental Europe was always less rigisd in such matters. I would go for the red on black (Gules upon Sable) as offering the better contrast with the "boar passant argent".

Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:38:00 PM  
Blogger Captain Nolan said...

This is a Vulgar flag, forget the hearaldry rules. I prefer the yellow sun, but would suggest 4 red rays (in the pattern you see on Russian or Prussian flags) and a more squarish flag.

Saturday, April 29, 2017 11:10:00 AM  

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